Dear all,
I have altered the wiki permissions such that there is a new group called ‘editors’, currently with members myself, Tony Shannon and Heather Leslie. I have added this group to the groups permissions in the ‘education’, ‘health information models’ and ‘healthcare’ spaces, and made the permissions slightly greater than normal users, by adding the ability to ‘restrict’ view and edit rights to a page within the space.
The idea is that someone (the current requestor was Tony) would like to spend some time getting a lengthy page ‘right’ before unmasking it to the world by removing the restriction. Obviously we don’t want to make this a widely available option (at least that is my opinion), hence I created a limited ‘group’ to contain trusted users. Obviously a lot more users could go in this group.
Three questions for the wed editorial group:
- Do you agree that the above approach is reasonable?
- Do you think it needs to be posted somehow to notify the community at large?
- Do you think some other particular users should be put into this group now?
thanks for your feedback.
Personally, I welcome this.
I must admit that the fact that I might not finish a page to publishable state had stopped me doing anything sometimes.
Also occasionally I just get something wrong, for example, organised the page structure badly and would like to just delete it - only my pages, not someone elses;-) Again this tends to stop me publishing at all, because I don’t have enough local control of the environment. If you can create a new page, you should be able to delete same page.
I don’t think that the community needs to know or would worry. It is just some individuals who might be publishing something substantial and not want it to be seen piecemeal or without full context - and I don’t mind how broad that group is at all.
Whoever writes substantial tracts could be offered this - they are likely to be major contributors and it might encourage them.
Regards
Heather
Hi!
I think the addressed issues can be solved in other more wiki-like
ways for most use cases.
- First of all, why be ashamed of ongoing work? Just say that it is
unfinished. It can be of use for others already before being finished.
A wiki is not meant to be a personal word processor (but can import
text from a word processor).
- Heather, something once officially published in a wiki should never
be deleted, just edited but with version history kept intact.
Permanent deletion goes against wiki-philosophy. (Deletion under a
personal "unpublished" space ought to be OK though I guess.)
When it comes to single-page composing it can already (using the built
in wiki-editors) be done "privately" under your personal space like...
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/~erik.sundvall/personal+temporary+scratchpad
...where it is already possible to restrict viewing to yourself. When
finished, the page content can be copy-pasted to a suitable location.
A set of very interlinked pages under closed development might
possibly call for your suggested solution. But by creating empty page
stubs to link to during editing you can use the same
private-scratchpad+copy-paste solution as suggested above.
Best regards,
Erik Sundvall
erisu@imt.liu.se http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/ Tel: +46-13-227579
Erik Sundvall wrote:
Hi!
I think the addressed issues can be solved in other more wiki-like
ways for most use cases.
- First of all, why be ashamed of ongoing work? Just say that it is
unfinished. It can be of use for others already before being finished.
A wiki is not meant to be a personal word processor (but can import
text from a word processor).
Hi Erik,
I don't think that is the problem; it is just that some people like to
have their thoughts worked out before anyone reads them. On wikis
personally I don't care about this, but I think it is reasonable for
others to have a different view.
- Heather, something once officially published in a wiki should never
be deleted, just edited but with version history kept intact.
Permanent deletion goes against wiki-philosophy. (Deletion under a
personal "unpublished" space ought to be OK though I guess.)
I don't think we have ever deleted pages, only spam comments. I would
not expect anyone to delete stuff (you can move it though). Possibly we
should turn off any page-deletion permissions. I think it is reasonable
to delete attachments though - these can be bulky and go out of date.
When it comes to single-page composing it can already (using the built
in wiki-editors) be done "privately" under your personal space like...
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/~erik.sundvall/personal+temporary+scratchpad
...where it is already possible to restrict viewing to yourself. When
finished, the page content can be copy-pasted to a suitable location.
I had not thought of that; but what if you are working on multiple
things? I suppose that just means creating a bunch of child pages under
your home page?
A set of very interlinked pages under closed development might
possibly call for your suggested solution. But by creating empty page
stubs to link to during editing you can use the same
private-scratchpad+copy-paste solution as suggested above.
then you have to move the content, or cut and paste to the final
intended destination?
personally, I don't have a strong opinion on how we solve this; just
that it is done fairly and openly, and accommodates people who want to
work on their pages for a while before publishing. Which is why I asked
the opinion of this group 
Can someone confirm hat it is possible and workable to do it via Erik's
method? If we decide to go with that (which is clearly less admin work,
since we don't need to maintain an 'editor's permissions group). We
could jsut announce it somewhere on the wiki or lists....
further thoughts welcome.
- thomas
When it comes to single-page composing it can already (using the built
in wiki-editors) be done "privately" under your personal space like...
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/~erik.sundvall/personal+temporary+scratchpad
...where it is already possible to restrict viewing to yourself. When
finished, the page content can be copy-pasted to a suitable location.
I had not thought of that; but what if you are working on multiple things? I
suppose that just means creating a bunch of child pages under your home
page?
Yes, either that or even simpler: work with one big scratchpad-page
and paste parts to different final destinations (see "stubs" below).
A set of very interlinked pages under closed development might
possibly call for your suggested solution. But by creating empty page
stubs to link to during editing you can use the same
private-scratchpad+copy-paste solution as suggested above.
then you have to move the content, or cut and paste to the final intended
destination?
Yes, I'd suggest cut & paste especially if the intention was to hide
the previous creation process and if you want to keep the scratchpad
for other times.
Can someone confirm hat it is possible and workable to do it via Erik's
method?
Well, you can't reach that example scratchpad URL above can you? I do
when logged in. Feel free to test it in other ways too.
If we decide to go with that (which is clearly less admin work,
since we don't need to maintain an 'editor's permissions group). We could
jsut announce it somewhere on the wiki or lists....
That was the thought, less admin stuff, less fuss about who should
have certain privileges etc.
Good luck!
// Erik
Erik Sundvall wrote:
When it comes to single-page composing it can already (using the built
in wiki-editors) be done "privately" under your personal space like...
[http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/~erik.sundvall/personal+temporary+scratchpad](http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/~erik.sundvall/personal+temporary+scratchpad)
...where it is already possible to restrict viewing to yourself. When
finished, the page content can be copy-pasted to a suitable location.
yep, this works. I can’t see that page even when logged in. Ok, I will get rid of this other system and get back to simplicity! Thanks for the pointer Erik!
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