Starting with some definitions. These are not universal, but I’m using the words this way in this post: Clinical score: A multi-component clinical assessment tool that involves summing up the numerical values of a set of more than one component. Example: NEWS2 Clinical scale: A clinical assessment…

[image] vanessap: From my perspective and usage from the both classes you mentioned I prefer to use the DV_ORDINAL for scales instead of DV_CODED_TEXT/DV_TEXT. The current tools I use allows to make immediate calculations of total scores if using ordinal for each element, plus the option the sho…

Related LOINC Codes: LOINC 93124-6 New York Heart Association Functional Classification panel [image] New York Heart Association Functional Classification panel – LOINC Version 2.67 93124-6New York Heart Association Functional Classification panelActive Panel Hierarchy Details for each…

Interesting. the LOINC definition of ordinal therefore goes beyond a coded_text ‘symbol’ plus related numeric ‘value’ in openEHR to allow other string-based ‘values’ . I am not sure I trust that approach or see the particular added value.

Thanks @siljelb . Timley conversation. Our problem comes exactly because we are forced to squeeze the scores and scales into Text and Ordinal data types. While it is possible to use either data type for most scores/scales, there are always outliers. Ordinal is not truly intended to support scoring,…

Thanks everyone for your responses! Before attempting to conclude on this, I’d like to hear from more people with UI implementation experience, for example @bna , @vanessap . Example: You need to implement this, as closely as practical to what it looks like on paper: [image] What makes this easi…

[image] heather.leslie: And if we have scores that have 2, 2.5 and 3 we have no possible solution except to try to represent the numerical scores associated with each value/selection. That is coming - new datatype called DV_SCALE basically identical to DV_ORDINAL but allows real numbers as we…

From an UI perspective it doesn’t really matter if we use DV_CODED_TEXT or DV_ORDINAL. It matters though if we have to share the data with some obscure messaging format. They typically tend to use the number shown on screen. It saves a few keystrokes if we use an ordinal then. If the score is a con…

[image] ian.mcnicoll: That is coming - new datatype called DV_SCALE It is coming? How advanced is this discussion? As clinical modellers it would be good to know, so that we can confirm it meets all our modelling requirement before it becomes part of specifications…

[image] bna: From an UI perspective it doesn’t really matter if we use DV_CODED_TEXT or DV_ORDINAL. It matters though if we have to share the data with some obscure messaging format. They typically tend to use the number shown on screen. It saves a few keystrokes if we use an ordinal then. Th…

[image] siljelb: If we got that fixed, a good modelling guidance could be something like “If a scale is displayed as a numbered list, use DV_ORDINAL”? I think we need to understand what DV_SCALE offers before we can proceed any further. I didn’t know this was in development…

DV_SCALE is identical to DV_ORDINAL other than allowing real numbers rather than just integers. The only reason it exists is that it would have been too disruptive to try to change DV_ORDINAL whicj would have been a breaking change in the RM. As for current DV_ORDINAL the unique number rules is rel…

Clinical scales - ordinal or coded text? - #26 by siljelb - Clinical

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