Hi, We are currently modelling archetypes for Swedish scores and ran into two problems of how the data type DV_ORDINAL is intended to work. Hopefully someone here are able to answer. The first problem is how values in DV_ORDINAL is possible to specialize in a specialized archetype. Let say that a…

@mikael and everyone lurking!! I’d also meant to say that I think we all still wrestle with optimising these patterns. I don’t think any of us who have been doing this for a while would be confident to say ‘you are doing it wrong’ - more ‘we feel your pain but here’s the journey we went on and wh…

[image] mikael: A general comment is that I probably come from a more ontological modelling style than I believe most openEHR modelers do. This might mean that I am more more found of specializing and less found of pragmatic things, because pragmatism tend to break the overall model when you hav…

[image] ian.mcnicoll: TNM is a great example. What seems like a ‘standard’. probably started as something that had a few fixed stages that seemed universal across all cancers but has evolved into a very complex set of models that have virtually no real commonality other than the labels T, N,M. T…

I can agree on many things you say. However, this time the Swedish version of PEWS is a better candidate for using specialization in the modeling than in many other scores. I am more than happy to discuss all details of the modelling when I have finalized the modelling and published the first draf…

Hi Mikael, You should be able to share a link from Archetype Designer that would let us have a look, in advance of the CKM issue being resolved. Use the share button to the left of the archetype Id. You many know this , of course, so this is also for those lurking!! [image] As one of those commen…

[image] mikael: Ok. In that case, it is Betters Archetype Designer that doesn’t follow the ADL1.4 specification. I guess It’s an overstatement saying Archetype Designer doesn’t follow ADL1.4 specification. It’s just strict when it comes to specialization - prevents changes, which break specia…

I more and more think that this is something we really need to bring up to a proper discussion because there are many opinions, but I am unable to really find anything in the specifications. Do you have any suggestions @borut.fabjan ? Might it only be that informaticians/ontologists have one view an…

Hi Mikkel, I think we need to be careful here. There are well specified logic rules that support the specialisation of ‘ear’ to ‘left ear’. But this is an extremely unlikely use case for content of an ordinal. The ordinal will be used for scores and scales where the value associated with the text…

Hi Mikael, There is certainly active debate about ADL2 specialisation of CodedTexts which is basically the same issue. Specialisation: Currently AOM2 allows for specialisation of terms within a valueset but only if these ‘inherit’ from an existing code in the Valueset. On that basis, I think AD s…

Modelling and behavior of of the data type DV_ORDINAL

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mikael (Mikael Nyström) 15 February 2021 10:31 27

Hi Ian,

I have now posted the archetypes and the considerations in the post Modelling of Swe-PEWS - Clinical - openEHR.

Regards
Mikael

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