{Disarmed} OpenEHR evaluation

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Hi,

I’ve started working on an EHR project at national level in my country. The people here knows only about HL7 and IHE, but OpenEHR is not so popular. I’ve been follow OpenEHR since 2006, when with Rodrigo Filgueira we made a prototype of an ICU system with the OpenEHR Information Model.

This is the first email of a list of emails I have to send to you to make a correct evaluation of OpenEHR and to have solid information to propose it to my coleagues on the project (I don’t make the decisions so I need to convince my coleagues). I think OpenEHR has very good ideas and concepts and it’s reasonably stable and mature, but some issues are not so clear or not so mature (IMHO), now I can think of two things: the template specification and template tools and archetype/template versioning. Later I’ll ask you about these subjects, know I need some words about another subject.

At this time, we are making a prototype of a Master Patient Index system, at this time the only specifications and standards that are over the table are IHE (the PIX profile) and HL7 for messaging. I need to know what is the experience on this subject using OpenEHR (I know that Ocean Informatics has its own MPI system, is it based on OpenEHR IM and AOM?), if someone has build an MPI please leave some lines on the subject: what problems do you have? what archetypes do you use? etc etc.

I want to propose something like the IHE transactions but implemented with OpenEHR messages based on demographic archetypes (something like the Patient Administration domain of HL7, that defines messages with demographic data). I see that here MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from “www.openehr.org” claiming to be http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html are some demographic archetypes but the links are broken. Are this archetypes stable? are them complete? (they have all the demographic data that is needed: ids, names, contact mediums, address or some kind of geo-referenced location, etc, etc).

Please drop me a line on these subjects,
thanks a lot!

Cheers,
Pablo.

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Hola Pablo,

there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list
recently. Please have a look at the list archive
http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html

You can find some demographics archetypes here:
http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/

Best regards
Hans

Pab schrieb:

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Hola Pablo,

there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list
recently. Please have a look at the list archive
http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html

You can find some demographics archetypes here:
http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/

Too bad that these demographic archetypes contain links to not (yet)
published demographic archetypes. In my opinion, Openehr has everything to
be good at demographic data, but for some strange reasons this subject
does not get the attention it ought to get.
Not in published archetypes, not in the archetype-editors, even there were
promises to change that, even a year ago. (/I tried to expand the ocean
archetype editor so it would support demographic archetypes, which does
not seem to hard to me, but sadly, Mono is not yet enough up to date with
MS dotnet, so I gave up for now/).

There are more change situations regarding to demographic archetypes, but I

I hope this situation will change.

regards
Bert

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Hola Pablo,

there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list

recently. Please have a look at the list archive

http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html

You can find some demographics archetypes here:
http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/

Too bad that these demographic archetypes contain links to not (yet)
published demographic archetypes. In my opinion, Openehr has everything to
be good at demographic data, but for some strange reasons this subject
does not get the attention it ought to get.
Not in published archetypes, not in the archetype-editors, even there were
promises to change that, even a year ago. (/I tried to expand the ocean
archetype editor so it would support demographic archetypes, which does
not seem to hard to me, but sadly, Mono is not yet enough up to date with
MS dotnet, so I gave up for now/).

There are more STRANGE (excuse typo :slight_smile: situations regarding to
demographic archetypes, but I

I hope this situation will change.

regards
Bert

Best regards
Hans

Pab schrieb:

Hi,

I've started working on an EHR project at national level in my
country. The people here knows only about HL7 and IHE, but OpenEHR is

not so popular. I've been follow OpenEHR since 2006, when with Rodrigo
Filgueira we made a prototype of an ICU system with the OpenEHR
Information Model.

This is the first email of a list of emails I have to send to you to

make a correct evaluation of OpenEHR and to have solid information to
propose it to my coleagues on the project (I don't make the decisions
so I need to convince my coleagues). I think OpenEHR has very good
ideas and concepts and it's reasonably stable and mature, but some
issues are not so clear or not so mature (IMHO), now I can think of two
things: the template specification and template tools

and archetype/template versioning. Later I'll ask you about these

subjects, know I need some words about another subject.

At this time, we are making a prototype of a Master Patient Index

system, at this time the only specifications and standards that are
over the table are IHE (the PIX profile) and HL7 for messaging. I need
to know what is the experience on this subject using OpenEHR (I know
that Ocean Informatics has its own MPI system, is it based on OpenEHR
IM and AOM?), if someone has build an MPI please leave some lines on
the subject: what problems do you have? what archetypes do you use? etc
etc.

I want to propose something like the IHE transactions but implemented

with OpenEHR messages based on demographic archetypes (something like
the Patient Administration domain of HL7, that defines messages with
demographic data). I see that here *MailScanner has detected a

possible fraud attempt from "www.openehr.org" claiming to be*
http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html
<http://www.openehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html&gt; are some

demographic archetypes but the links are broken. Are this archetypes
stable? are them complete? (they have all the demographic data that is
needed: ids, names, contact mediums, address or some kind

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The most useful demographic archetypes available will be Sergio Freire’s from Brazil - they are based on ISO 22220, and he has about 20 of them. He is just reworking some of the details, and said to me while I was there recently that he will translate them into English (using teh ISO 22220 names) and then make them available. I would expect this set to become the base set for openEHR. They are easy to build plug-in specialised archetypes for that contain e.g. braziliann address, japanese address, etc - the bits that vary.

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It would be great to have access to these archetypes, and I can make the translations to spanish :wink:

thank you,
Pablo Pazos Gutierrez

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Hi Pablo

Did you get them? If you send an email to Heather Leslie, I know she has the set.

Cheers, Sam

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Hi Sam,

Yes, Sergio send me the draft archetypes, but now I’m going on vacation, I’ll play with them when I’m back.

Thank you!

cheers,
Pablo.

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