# Question about ADL-syntax (1.4) archetypeslot
**URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022
**Category:** Implementers (archive)
**Created:** [25 October 2010 09:49 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022 "2010-10-25T09:49:39Z")
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 09:49 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/1 "2010-10-25T09:49:39Z")
Hi,
Please allow me this ignorant question.
Below the "allow\_archetype", there are includes (and excludes)
Below the "include" are rules what is include(d)
Like this.
(examples from repository on OpenEhr website)
1) allow\_archetype CLUSTER occurrences matches {0..1} matches {
include
archetype\_id/value matches {/change\.v1draft/}
2) allow\_archetype ITEM\_TREE occurrences matches {0..1} matches {
include
domain\_concept matches {/referral\.v1/}
3) allow\_archetype ADDRESS matches {
include
id matches {"br-demographic-ADDRESS.\*"}
The problem I have is that there seems inconsistency.
In example 1 is the archetypeid of the archetype-details referred which
has a property value. Thsi seems OK to me
In example 2 is the domain\_concept used, which is a property of the
archetype\_id but not of the archetypedetails., shouldn't this be:
archetype\_id/domain\_concept
Example 3 makes to me no sense at all. Both archetypedetails and
archetype\_id have a property id
Can someone please explain this to me?
Thanks, Bert
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 10:55 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/2 "2010-10-25T10:55:43Z")
Op 25-10-10 11:49, Bert Verhees schreef:
> Example 3 makes to me no sense at all. Both archetypedetails and
> archetype\_id have a property id
Example 3 makes to me no sense at all. Both archetypedetails and
archetype\_id have \*no\* property id
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Gummer1](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Peter_Gummer1)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 10:59 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/3 "2010-10-25T10:59:19Z")
Bert Verhees wrote:
> (examples from repository on OpenEhr website)
Hi Bert,
These are very strange examples of slots. They are not typical at all.
Where did you find these archetypes?
- Peter
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 11:06 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/4 "2010-10-25T11:06:14Z")
> These are very strange examples of slots. They are not typical at all.
>
> Where did you find these archetypes?
Thanks, Peter, for your reply
I downloaded them with SVN from
[http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes](http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes)
Is that not OK?
Bert
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Gummer1](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Peter_Gummer1)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 11:12 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/5 "2010-10-25T11:12:38Z")
Bert Verhees wrote:
> I downloaded them with SVN from
> [http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes](http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes)
>
> Is that not OK?
Those archetypes are obsolete. They were abandoned years ago. The
current work on archetypes is in CKM:
www.openehr.org/knowledge/
- Peter
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 11:30 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/6 "2010-10-25T11:30:09Z")
> Those archetypes are obsolete. They were abandoned years ago. The
> current work on archetypes is in CKM:
>
> I noticed some problems in the abandoned ones. But I skipped skip those
> which did not parse well
> I do not use archetypes for medical-content, only for technical purposes.
Is het possible to download the CKM-ones as convenient as the abandoned
ones?
Because I didn't find how, it was the reason I skipped them until today.
By the way, I found an example of an archetype-slot
allow\_archetype CLUSTER[at0014] occurrences matches {0..\*} matches {
-- Cessation attempts
include
archetype\_id/value matches
{/openEHR-EHR-CLUSTER\.cessation\_attempts\.v1/}
}
This conform my example 1 in my previous question.
If you send me the download link of the CKM archetypes, than maybe I can
answer my previous question myself, or I come back with more specific
question
Thanks
Bert
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### Author:  [@Seref](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Seref)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 11:35 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/7 "2010-10-25T11:35:16Z")
Hi Bert,
CKM supports download of all archetypes in a single zip archive. That is as convenient as it gets for me 😉
The functionality should be accessable from a menu item, should not be hard to spot.
Regards
Seref
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 11:51 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/8 "2010-10-25T11:51:03Z")
> ```auto
> By the way, I found an example of an archetype-slot
> allow_archetype CLUSTER[at0014] occurrences matches {0..*} matches {
> -- Cessation attempts
> include
> archetype_id/value matches
> {/openEHR-EHR-CLUSTER\.cessation_attempts\.v1/}
> }
>
> This conform my example 1 in my previous question.
>
> ```
Yes, this is from the substance use archetypes in CKM, and is correct.
your previous example 1 had a .v1draft id which deprecated.
Thee is also an Archetype Validation report for each archetype in CKM, where errors such as in your examples 2 and 3 would be reported.
> ```auto
> If you send me the download link of the CKM archetypes, than maybe I can
> answer my previous question myself, or I come back with more specific
> question
>
> ```
Yes, in the menu: Archetypes/Bulk export
Sebastian
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 11:56 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/9 "2010-10-25T11:56:09Z")
Thanks Seref,
It must be very clumsy of me, but I cannot find a menu-option where all the archetypes are in a single zip-archive.
Maybe I should register first.
I’ll do that now, and if I don’t succeed in answering my previous questions, I’ll come back to this list.
Thanks Bert
Op 25-10-10 13:35, Seref Arikan schreef:
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 12:00 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/10 "2010-10-25T12:00:51Z")
Thanks, I just registered and found the bulk export, I think this will answer my questions.
I throw away the abondoned ones quickly.
Bert
Op 25-10-10 13:51, Sebastian Garde schreef:
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### Author:  [@ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/ian.mcnicoll)
#### Post date: [25 October 2010 12:14 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/question-about-adl-syntax-1-4-archetypeslot/15022/11 "2010-10-25T12:14:37Z")
Hi Bert,
Yes - register on CKM first and then you can download all of the
archetypes via menu Archetypes-\> Bulk export.
Dr Ian McNicoll
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