# Please respond by Friday Nov 7th: Deployment, Version, PATIENTS IN SYSTEM.

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**Created:** 2008-11-06 14:53 UTC
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**Replies:** 6
**URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/please-respond-by-friday-nov-7th-deployment-version-patients-in-system/14849

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## Post #1 by @Ignacio_Valdes

Hello all,

The un\-official, Draft 8 of the upcoming American Medical Informatics
Association Open Source Working Group white paper to be voted on
November 9th can be found http://ignaciovaldes.com/amia. It will be
voted on for ratification on November 9th\-11th or so\. Action is needed
on your part to answer the question: If open source is so great why is
no one using it? There is no aggregate data that I can find to counter
this opinion\. If you know of a Free/Open Source EHR/EMR deployment and
could please send three pieces of information on each deployment that
you have by Wednesday November 7th: General Location, software version
and most importantly NUMBER OF PATIENTS IN SYSTEM\. This paper could
have national impact with this data\. Please respond by email to
ivaldes@hal\-pc\.org if you are able to obtain this data\.

\-\- IV

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## Post #2 by @Dr_Irving_Buchbinder

Ignatio

Does ANYONE list his/her numbers of patients hosted by the system? I tried to find that number for several larger commercial systems and got the MdD's answer of milliions and milliions (of patients) ... I could find the number of doctors rather easily.

Irv Buchbinder/ FreeMED

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## Post #3 by @Norbert_Lipszyc

The dbMotion solution, developed in Israel, is today covering nearly 6 million patients in Israel, and 7 million patients in the UPMC installation in the US.
Norbert Lipszyc

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## Post #4 by @system

Perhaps you have not noticed

The question was about Open Source and not about commercial proprietary ehr systems

Gf

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## Post #5 by @system

Gerard Freriks schreef:
> Perhaps you have not noticed
>
> The question was about Open Source and not about commercial
> proprietary ehr systems

Sorry Gerard, there were more closed systems discussed under this topic\.
>
> Gf
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Very small keyboard?

Bert

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## Post #6 by @system

Bert,

What is the definition of 'closed system'?

When open=not-closed.

Is open source open?
Is a system based on a standard and its implementable specification open, also?

Is an essential attribute of 'openness' that the software is open?
Or is an essential attribute of 'openness' that the data base is open?

Gerard

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## Post #7 by @system

Gerard Freriks schreef:
> Bert,
>
> What is the definition of &#39;closed system&#39;?

Excuse me, I meant &quot;closed source&quot;, typo\.

Thomas discussed the Ocean system, which is \(as he said himself\) closed
source, which is \(in my opinion\) a commercial proprietary system\.
There is nothing wrong with that, but, it is exactly what you objected
against\.

It is not that important, but I believe the reason for your objection in
that particular case is someting else than you said\. Or if not, then
your objection is not consistently\.

Bert

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