# MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

**URL:** <https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127>\
**Category:** Clinical (archive)\
**Created:** [29 July 2014 04:52 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127 "2014-07-29T04:52:26Z")\
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**Author:** ![pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/pablo/32/3505_2.png) [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)\
**Post date:** [29 July 2014 04:52 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/1 "2014-07-29T04:52:26Z")

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Hi all!

Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I’ll be attending for sure. I also might present a paper or two and want to propose an openEHR related tutorial.

Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or tutorials? It would be great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so we can have our “openEHR day” at MedInfo.

What do you think?

We have 1 year to plan this, and that’s not a lot of time!

I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south american openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that already have openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their success and failures.

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**Author:** ![system](https://discourse.openehr.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f0a1dedb20c42747bddcafd6c7df9db5f34f003c.svg) [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)\
**Post date:** [29 July 2014 12:47 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/2 "2014-07-29T12:47:12Z")

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Hi Pablo

Great to hear from you and your plans for Medinfo 2015. I plan to come for the meeting and I am sure a lot of others do too. A group of openEHR implementers will be meeting in Istanbul before MIE on the Saturday afternoon (venue to be decided).

I would hope that there will be sufficient momentum in Brazil to have a high profile openEHR stream at Medinfo and take a key role in the conference.

Cheers, Sam

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**Post date:** [30 July 2014 01:25 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/3 "2014-07-30T01:25:16Z")

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Hi Pablo and all,

We had developers’ workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I organized developers’ workshop 2010, and 2013.

I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half day and developers’ workshop half day would be better.

I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.

Shinji KOBAYASHI

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**Post date:** [31 July 2014 13:25 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/4 "2014-07-31T13:25:44Z")

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Hi Pablo!  
I will attending to Medinfo 2015 and will present an OpenEHR related paper.  
Will be glad to contribute…  
Regards,  
Luis

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**Author:** ![pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/pablo/32/3505_2.png) [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)\
**Post date:** [31 July 2014 14:13 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/5 "2014-07-31T14:13:35Z")

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Hi Shinji!

By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer’s workshops?

It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR devs.

BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would be the openEHR wiki.

Thanks!

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**Author:** ![heather.leslie](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/heather.leslie/32/1980_2.png) [@heather.leslie](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/heather.leslie)\
**Post date:** [1 August 2014 01:54 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/6 "2014-08-01T01:54:59Z")

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Hi Pablo,

We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki: [http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences](http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences)

See Medinfo 2013: [http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013±+Copenhagen,+Denmark](http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark). 2 half day sessions were held then – one clinical modelling focussed and the other technical

Regards

Heather

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**Post date:** [1 August 2014 23:35 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/7 "2014-08-01T23:35:42Z")

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Thanks for the info Heather!

I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, …).

I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software development: lose the fear of archetypes.

Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?

Thanks!

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**Post date:** [4 August 2014 08:30 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/8 "2014-08-04T08:30:32Z")

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Hi Pablo

I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry forum prior to MedInfo?

Cheers Sam

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**Author:** ![ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/ian.mcnicoll/32/4430_2.png) [@ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/ian.mcnicoll)\
**Post date:** [4 August 2014 08:48 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/9 "2014-08-04T08:48:03Z")

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Hi Pablo,

This is exactly the type of environment we are trying to setup with  
HANDI-HOPD - see handi-hopd.org.

Although the first outing will be somewhat UK focussed, we are trying  
to work to an architecture that will allow the environment to be  
cloned and re-packaged for other countries/regions + use cloud-based  
Docker/openShift type hosting.

Ian

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**Post date:** [5 August 2014 01:22 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/10 "2014-08-05T01:22:08Z")

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Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I’ll talk with her and her fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.

BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop focused on openEHR data store and query. And if there’s interest, another one focused on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we’re presenting a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay! lucky me: [http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/](http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/))

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**Post date:** [21 October 2014 13:56 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/11 "2014-10-21T13:56:46Z")

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Dear colleagues,

I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'  
workshop 2015 page.  
[http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015](http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015)

Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?

Shinji KOBAYASHI

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**Post date:** [21 October 2014 14:06 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/12 "2014-10-21T14:06:44Z")

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Hi!

I was about to send a message to the lists to coordinate the tutorials topics to minimize overlap.

Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That will help a lot for doing that coordination.

I’ll add a list of topics and anyone can mark his/her preference for giving a tutorial about it, so we can detect collisions.

For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo organization wants to have some tutorials in spanish to encourage the LatAm community to participate in the conference. Also until december they have a preferential price for LatAm colleagues (still pricey but it’s MedInfo :).

Cheers,  
Pablo.

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**Post date:** [21 October 2014 15:16 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/13 "2014-10-21T15:16:40Z")

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Hi Pablo, and all

Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop  
proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and  
add your description for your project.  
The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien.

Shinji

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**Post date:** [23 October 2014 05:48 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/14 "2014-10-23T05:48:00Z")

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Hi All

It would be good to coordinate this and try and get a full range of options available - clinical and technical.  
Clearly there are a few people who have already done work in South America who might want to coordinate.

I would hope that we may be able to get a key note if we are able to promote this idea. Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are doing with openEHR under the Foundation banner.

I am very interested to know who will be attending and would like to present on any openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and make this list available to anyone interested.

[sam.heard@openehrfoundation.org](mailto:sam.heard@openehrfoundation.org)

Cheers, Sam

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**Post date:** [23 October 2014 06:36 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/15 "2014-10-23T06:36:45Z")

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I will be present.

Cheers

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**Post date:** [23 October 2014 07:27 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/16 "2014-10-23T07:27:52Z")

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Hi Sam,

I think we are coordinating this already 🙂 IMO that’s the point of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content, proposals and comments.

I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate in any way I can, but… as you an others may know, I asked several times for endorsement and support (not talking about money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread the standard, but the board went silent. I’m very pragmatic and I don’t know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a very political way and should be something technical.

With that being said, for me, talking about training under the foundation banner is at least weird.

Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how I honestly feel about the proposal.

I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the standard to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I’m very thankful because without them I wouldn’t be able to create the first online course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people from 15 countries.

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**Post date:** [23 October 2014 07:52 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/17 "2014-10-23T07:52:22Z")

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Dear Pablo!  
Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators" working along providing training, trying to expain to the "institutional layer", asking the institution to take formal measures, so that training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in, and we may see an IHE "Education" group sometime soon. This however took some years until both educators and "institutional layers" knew why and how they might benefit from each other.  
In that way I can understand your experience  
So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that "education" is a "political" issue.

This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!  
Greetings from Vienna,  
Stefan

Stefan Sauermann

Program Director  
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)

University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien  
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria  
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988  
M: +43 664 6192555  
E: stefan.sauermann@technikum-wien.at

I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe  
I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt  
I: www.healthy-interoperability.at

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**Post date:** [24 October 2014 17:20 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/18 "2014-10-24T17:20:34Z")

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Thanks for your message Stefan.

I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of the community needs.

For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.

Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes just saying “the foundation supports us” and have a web page with our name as “endorsed trainers” allows us to access places that we can’t access alone, like government working groups. And training people in government is a great way of having the standard included in call for proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on. **We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.**

For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I’m giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!).

I’m not sure what’s the formal way of putting these issues under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.

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**Post date:** [24 October 2014 18:17 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/19 "2014-10-24T18:17:10Z")

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OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.

[http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm](http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm)  
ISO, What is a standard:

"A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."

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**Post date:** [24 October 2014 19:23 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/medinfo-2015-openehr-tutorials/15127/20 "2014-10-24T19:23:40Z")

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Bert, I’m aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is.

Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board being silent in front on community efforts that need them.

Pablo Pazos

[www.CaboLabs.com](http://www.CaboLabs.com)

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