# ISO/DTS 13972 DCM ballot
**URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/iso-dts-13972-dcm-ballot/16721
**Category:** Implementers (archive)
**Created:** [4 January 2013 01:37 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/iso-dts-13972-dcm-ballot/16721 "2013-01-04T01:37:09Z")
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### Author:  [@heather.leslie](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/heather.leslie)
#### Post date: [4 January 2013 01:37 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/iso-dts-13972-dcm-ballot/16721/1 "2013-01-04T01:37:09Z")
Dear Colleagues,
I spent some time yesterday responding to the ballot for ISO/DTS 13972 Characteristics and Processes of Detailed Clinical Models. My first draft resulted in 14 pages of comments on identified issues (not typos or grammatical errors).
There are a number of aspects about the specification that remain concerning, but one of the main ones is that it is not embracing of all current international clinical modelling/governance approaches including that being used by openEHR, with separation between archetypes as logical models and CKM as the governance/maintenance tool. This means that openEHR work will not be compliant with the proposed DTS, despite openEHR being recognised as being one of the world leaders in the clinical modelling environment.
As I understand it, if the DTS passes this ballot, then it may be published immediately as an ISO Technical Specification.
There have been a small number of experts who are actively engaged in openEHR participating in this DTS development, but despite providing feedback consistently during the past few years, this is still the unfortunate place in which we find ourselves.
I would encourage you to peruse the DTS and provide feedback as you see fit.
Unfortunately, it is not permitted to distribute the ISO documents publicly on a list such as this – you will need to make contact with your ISO national member body and respond through their official channels.
The deadline for Australian submissions to Standards Australia is 14 January; so expect that the ISO deadline will be soon after.
Kind Regards
Heather Leslie
**Dr Heather Leslie**
MBBS FRACGP FACHI
Director of Clinical Modelling
**[Ocean Informatics](http://www.oceaninformatics.com/)**
Phone (Aust) +61 (0)418 966 670
Skype - heatherleslie
Twitter - @omowizard
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### Author:  [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)
#### Post date: [4 January 2013 04:02 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/iso-dts-13972-dcm-ballot/16721/2 "2013-01-04T04:02:39Z")
Hi Heather, I would like to participate in the review process (I didn’t knew how to participate on these ISO TCs). I just send an email to my local ISO representative, and I hope they respond soon (here it’s summer and everyone is on vacation 🙂
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### Author:  [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)
#### Post date: [4 January 2013 04:07 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/iso-dts-13972-dcm-ballot/16721/3 "2013-01-04T04:07:01Z")
Heather the relevant attachment is missing….
Happy New Year!
Evelyn
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### Author:  [@heather.leslie](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/heather.leslie)
#### Post date: [4 January 2013 08:10 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/iso-dts-13972-dcm-ballot/16721/4 "2013-01-04T08:10:46Z")
Hi Evelyn,
Happy New Year to you too!
I probably didn’t make it clear that I did not intend to share my comments, certainly not publicly on this list. Apologies
I have shared with it my AU experts so that we can formulate a collective response for Stds Australia.
I’m certainly happy to have private conversations with anyone interested, but personally I’d like to see a broader range of international participation in the feedback (which on the whole has been miniscule in any previous ballot) and if it is independent of my own views, then it is probably more valuable J
Regards
Heather