# Is there an archetype to record the gender identity in the demographic model?

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**Created:** 2025-07-30 22:56 UTC
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**Replies:** 9
**URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017

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## Post #1 by @pablo

Hi,

In the CKM I’ve found an EVALUATION archetype for gender identity, but not the gender identity as a demographic concept.

We are working with patients and the demographic model and G.I. is a requirement for us.

For now I'll use our own archetype, though it would be nice to use an international one.

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## Post #2 by @ian.mcnicoll

I can’t find anything other than ‘Sex’ which is different, being sex at birth.

These are very old archetypes based on the ISO demographics standard. I’m not sure if that has been updated in this area.

A local archetype is probably wise, especially as tis i, of course a very complex and fraught area, where local requirements and policy probably play a large part

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## Post #3 by @pablo

Thanks @ian.mcnicoll 

I think the nail requirement is the identity code, which can have different value sets depending on the location. In my case, I'm following a national FHIR guide. So technically the archetype shouldn't have a terminology binded, but the template does. 

Another requirement that I've seen is the pronouns. I don't know if there is any standard for that, though I guess it's based on language, so options should be finite and constant (I don't think someone will invent a new pronoun).

Best, 

Pablo.

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## Post #4 by @ian.mcnicoll

We do record pronouns using the Gender archetype  in London UCP but decided not to have any sort of  fixed or example valueset

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## Post #5 by @pablo

It's that a demographic archetype or the evaluation one?

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## Post #6 by @ian.mcnicoll

Evaluation …. It is just single text element

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## Post #7 by @pablo

Gotcha, we need a similar thing but in the demographic model because we consider this isn't EHR data.

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## Post #8 by @ian.mcnicoll

You could extend the existing DEMOGRAPHIC archetype https://ckm.openehr.org/ckm/archetypes/1013.1.504  and submit as a CR, or fork locally.

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## Post #9 by @pablo

Sure, I'll try to contribute. Thanks.

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## Post #10 by @siljelb

[quote="pablo, post:3, topic:7017"]
(I don’t think someone will invent a new pronoun)

[/quote]

While not exactly super common, it certainly happens: [Neopronoun - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopronoun)

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