# Is there an archetype to record the gender identity in the demographic model?
**URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017
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**Created:** [30 July 2025 22:56 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017 "2025-07-30T22:56:06Z")
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### Author:  [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)
#### Post date: [30 July 2025 22:56 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/1 "2025-07-30T22:56:07Z")
Hi,
In the CKM I’ve found an EVALUATION archetype for gender identity, but not the gender identity as a demographic concept.
We are working with patients and the demographic model and G.I. is a requirement for us.
For now I’ll use our own archetype, though it would be nice to use an international one.
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### Author:  [@ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/ian.mcnicoll)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 13:58 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/2 "2025-08-01T13:58:56Z")
I can’t find anything other than ‘Sex’ which is different, being sex at birth.
These are very old archetypes based on the ISO demographics standard. I’m not sure if that has been updated in this area.
A local archetype is probably wise, especially as tis i, of course a very complex and fraught area, where local requirements and policy probably play a large part
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### Author:  [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 14:22 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/3 "2025-08-01T14:22:16Z")
Thanks @ian.mcnicoll
I think the nail requirement is the identity code, which can have different value sets depending on the location. In my case, I’m following a national FHIR guide. So technically the archetype shouldn’t have a terminology binded, but the template does.
Another requirement that I’ve seen is the pronouns. I don’t know if there is any standard for that, though I guess it’s based on language, so options should be finite and constant (I don’t think someone will invent a new pronoun).
Best,
Pablo.
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### Author:  [@ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/ian.mcnicoll)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 14:26 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/4 "2025-08-01T14:26:46Z")
We do record pronouns using the Gender archetype in London UCP but decided not to have any sort of fixed or example valueset
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### Author:  [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 14:30 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/5 "2025-08-01T14:30:49Z")
It’s that a demographic archetype or the evaluation one?
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### Author:  [@ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/ian.mcnicoll)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 14:35 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/6 "2025-08-01T14:35:53Z")
Evaluation …. It is just single text element
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### Author:  [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 15:05 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/7 "2025-08-01T15:05:47Z")
Gotcha, we need a similar thing but in the demographic model because we consider this isn’t EHR data.
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### Author:  [@ian.mcnicoll](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/ian.mcnicoll)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 15:12 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/8 "2025-08-01T15:12:03Z")
You could extend the existing DEMOGRAPHIC archetype [Cluster Archetype: Extended personal demographics [openEHR Clinical Knowledge Manager]](https://ckm.openehr.org/ckm/archetypes/1013.1.504) and submit as a CR, or fork locally.
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### Author:  [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)
#### Post date: [1 August 2025 15:30 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/9 "2025-08-01T15:30:26Z")
Sure, I’ll try to contribute. Thanks.
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### Author:  [@siljelb](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/siljelb)
#### Post date: [4 August 2025 08:43 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/is-there-an-archetype-to-record-the-gender-identity-in-the-demographic-model/7017/10 "2025-08-04T08:43:42Z")
> [@pablo](#):
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> (I don’t think someone will invent a new pronoun)
While not exactly super common, it certainly happens: [Neopronoun - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neopronoun)