# Example messages
**URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752
**Category:** Technical (archive)
**Created:** [25 April 2008 10:20 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752 "2008-04-25T10:20:20Z")
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### Author:  [@Adam\_Flinton](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Adam_Flinton)
#### Post date: [25 April 2008 10:20 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752/1 "2008-04-25T10:20:20Z")
Dear All,
Is there an easy way to create or does anyone have any messages in XML?
i.e. if one has a template or archetype is there any way to create an
example of the message which would be sent using that archetype/template?
Our message checking s/w in our Integration Center uses XPath, XSLT etc
to run rules against incoming HL7 messages & I'd like to get an initial
feeling wrt how/if this system could be used wrt OpenEHR messages.
Forget about any external layers of the onion as they're already dealt
with (i.e. http header info\> good xml \> good soap \> good ebxml \> good
HL7) but then.... \> ??? Open EHR.
Right now if someone has a simple archetype or template containing a
simple archetype (in XML) & an example message.....that would be of help
as I simply need to look at the 2 next to each other to work out what
the conformance checking people would need to look for/ how difficult it
would be.
TIA
Adam
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### Author:  [@erik.sundvall](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/erik.sundvall)
#### Post date: [25 April 2008 11:02 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752/2 "2008-04-25T11:02:57Z")
Hi!
> Is there an easy way to create or does anyone have any messages in XML?
Not sure what the difference between EHR-data and messages would be
for openEHR if you (as it sounds) already have an envelope specified
to put it in. Please specify if you want something else than pure EHR
content.
When we need testdata in XML-form for student projects we usually
(with permission) "steal" some data in XML form from Oceans EHRView
(via web interface, [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView)) or EHRBank (via
SOAP, [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrBank13/EhrService.asmx](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrBank13/EhrService.asmx)). You'd need
to ask Ocean for permission and a a password to do this.
I think there is a need for more realistic and completely freely
available openEHR testdata of various kinds from many sources (perhaps
as simple XML files or zipped XML file collections attached to openEHR
wiki-pages?). We could for example probably generate a fake diabetes
patient record within a week or two if somebody would like to give us
access to an environment for archetype based data entry we can access
via the web, we can send the needed templates from Oceans Template
Designer tool or the list of archetypes we need to use for data entry.
Any advice regarding possible systems available to enter test data?
Does the NHS XML/XForms tools contain everything needed to do this?
How is the Python implementation going? Other alternatives available
now?
Best regards,
Erik Sundvall
erisu@imt.liu.se [http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/](http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/) Tel: +46-13-227579
P.s. To help students play around with EQL through the web service I
did a quick Flash/Flex hack available at
[http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/2008/ehrbank/](http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/2008/ehrbank/) but it can't be run from
there due to security sandbox regulations of flash/flex unless the
application or a crossdomain.xml file is uploaded to the same server
ad the SOAP service.
---
### Author:  [@Adam\_Flinton](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Adam_Flinton)
#### Post date: [25 April 2008 15:06 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752/3 "2008-04-25T15:06:40Z")
Erik Sundvall wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > Is there an easy way to create or does anyone have any messages in XML?
> >
> > Not sure what the difference between EHR-data and messages would be
> > for openEHR if you (as it sounds) already have an envelope specified
> > to put it in. Please specify if you want something else than pure EHR
> > content.
Looking at the examples from the sites below it is more to do with if
datatypes/lists of values are defined etc.
e.g. I found an OWL statement/file
[http://trajano.us.es/~isabel/EHR/Data\_Types\_RM.owl](http://trajano.us.es/~isabel/EHR/Data_Types_RM.owl)
Which does some of what we want but we'd be using Xpath/XSLT.
e.g.
\
\
\string\
\
where code string is actually defined in the archetype as:
\en\
Is pretty easy.
whereas :
\DV\_CODED\_TEXT\
less so.
e.g. :
"A text item whose value must be the rubric from a controlled
terminology, the key (i.e. the ‘code’) of which is the defining\_code
attribute. In other words: a DV\_CODED\_TEXT is a combination of a
CODE\_PHRASE (effectively a code) and the rubric of that term, from a
terminology service, in the language in which the data was authored."
....in XPATH/XSLT....
It's a QA / "test the implementation" thing.
For instance is there/ would it be possible for me to write an XSLT
which could generate a test file in our required format (or even as a
complete XSLT file which simply returns nothing if OK or structure
containing the errors & where they occurred if any errors found).
> When we need testdata in XML-form for student projects we usually
> (with permission) "steal" some data in XML form from Oceans EHRView
> (via web interface, [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView)) or EHRBank (via
> SOAP, [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrBank13/EhrService.asmx](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrBank13/EhrService.asmx)). You'd need
> to ask Ocean for permission and a a password to do this.
The SOAP one is exactly what I was looking for (with the exception of
datatypes).
> I think there is a need for more realistic and completely freely
> available openEHR testdata of various kinds from many sources (perhaps
> as simple XML files or zipped XML file collections attached to openEHR
> wiki-pages?). We could for example probably generate a fake diabetes
> patient record within a week or two if somebody would like to give us
> access to an environment for archetype based data entry we can access
> via the web, we can send the needed templates from Oceans Template
> Designer tool or the list of archetypes we need to use for data entry.
>
> This is more of a heads up for me as at present we are in any early
> adopter/trial stage with a trail site etc. If though these messages
> start being transmitted over the central system then they will need to
> be QA'es etc & then at that stage I would like to "be prepared" \.
> Any advice regarding possible systems available to enter test data?
> Does the NHS XML/XForms tools contain everything needed to do this?
> How is the Python implementation going? Other alternatives available
> now?
The NHS XML tools are just getting started wrt OpenEHR stuff. Other than
publishing, this is the next thing (i.e. QA'ing the
implementations/messages on the wire).
Sort the QA first & then look at std'ized GUI's
Adam
---
### Author:  [@Hugh\_Leslie1](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Hugh_Leslie1)
#### Post date: [26 April 2008 00:37 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752/4 "2008-04-26T00:37:38Z")
Hi Erik
Not sure if its what you need, but if you provided the Templates, then we can host the data entry screens based on those templates in EhrView and you can create your Diabetic record. I also have some sample compositions that we should post somewhere on the openEHR site so that people can use them for testing etc.
regards Hugh
Erik Sundvall wrote:
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### Author:  [@Heath\_Frankel3](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Heath_Frankel3)
#### Post date: [28 April 2008 01:18 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/example-messages/14752/5 "2008-04-28T01:18:09Z")
Hi Erik and Adam,
Please note that the version of EhrView that you quoted is using data stored
using a pre-release 1.0.1 schema. I will take this site down immediately so
that it cannot be used by mistake again.
The best URL to use is [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView14](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView14)
I would certainly appreciate anyone using either Ocean's EhrView or the
EhrBank EHR Repository Service for more than a quick look to please contact
me. These are hosted on multi-purpose development, test and demonstration
servers which often get new versions of software and database upgrades and
knowing who this might affect would be useful.
Regards
Heath
Heath Frankel
Product Development Manager
Ocean Informatics
> From: openehr-technical-bounces@openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-
> bounces@openehr.org] On Behalf Of Erik Sundvall
> Sent: Friday, 25 April 2008 8:33 PM
> To: adam.flinton@nhs.net; For openEHR technical discussions
> Subject: Re: Example messages
>
> Hi!
>
> \> Is there an easy way to create or does anyone have any messages in XML?
>
> Not sure what the difference between EHR-data and messages would be
> for openEHR if you (as it sounds) already have an envelope specified
> to put it in. Please specify if you want something else than pure EHR
> content.
>
> When we need testdata in XML-form for student projects we usually
> (with permission) "steal" some data in XML form from Oceans EHRView
> (via web interface, [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrView)) or EHRBank (via
> SOAP, [http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrBank13/EhrService.asmx](http://demo.oceanehr.com/EhrBank13/EhrService.asmx)). You'd need
> to ask Ocean for permission and a a password to do this.
>
> I think there is a need for more realistic and completely freely
> available openEHR testdata of various kinds from many sources (perhaps
> as simple XML files or zipped XML file collections attached to openEHR
> wiki-pages?). We could for example probably generate a fake diabetes
> patient record within a week or two if somebody would like to give us
> access to an environment for archetype based data entry we can access
> via the web, we can send the needed templates from Oceans Template
> Designer tool or the list of archetypes we need to use for data entry.
> Any advice regarding possible systems available to enter test data?
> Does the NHS XML/XForms tools contain everything needed to do this?
> How is the Python implementation going? Other alternatives available
> now?
>
> Best regards,
> Erik Sundvall
> erisu@imt.liu.se [http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/](http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/) Tel: +46-13-227579
>
> P.s. To help students play around with EQL through the web service I
> did a quick Flash/Flex hack available at
> [http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/2008/ehrbank/](http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/2008/ehrbank/) but it can't be run from
> there due to security sandbox regulations of flash/flex unless the
> application or a crossdomain.xml file is uploaded to the same server
> ad the SOAP service.
>
> \> Dear All,
> \>
> \> Is there an easy way to create or does anyone have any messages in XML?
> \>
> \> i.e. if one has a template or archetype is there any way to create an
> \> example of the message which would be sent using that
archetype/template?
> \>
> \> Our message checking s/w in our Integration Center uses XPath, XSLT etc
> \> to run rules against incoming HL7 messages & I'd like to get an initial
> \> feeling wrt how/if this system could be used wrt OpenEHR messages.
> \>
> \> Forget about any external layers of the onion as they're already dealt
> \> with (i.e. http header info\> good xml \> good soap \> good ebxml \> good
> \> HL7) but then.... \> ??? Open EHR.
> \>
> \>
> \> Right now if someone has a simple archetype or template containing a
> \> simple archetype (in XML) & an example message.....that would be of
help
> \> as I simply need to look at the 2 next to each other to work out what
> \> the conformance checking people would need to look for/ how difficult
it