# {Disarmed} OpenEHR evaluation **Category:** [Technical (archive)](https://discourse.openehr.org/c/technical-archive/156) **Created:** 2008-12-20 23:49 UTC **Views:** 1 **Replies:** 7 **URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871 --- ## Post #1 by @pablo Hi, I've started working on an EHR project at national level in my country. The people here knows only about HL7 and IHE, but OpenEHR is not so popular. I've been follow OpenEHR since 2006, when with Rodrigo Filgueira we made a prototype of an ICU system with the OpenEHR Information Model. This is the first email of a list of emails I have to send to you to make a correct evaluation of OpenEHR and to have solid information to propose it to my coleagues on the project (I don't make the decisions so I need to convince my coleagues). I think OpenEHR has very good ideas and concepts and it's reasonably stable and mature, but some issues are not so clear or not so mature (IMHO), now I can think of two things: the template specification and template tools and archetype/template versioning. Later I'll ask you about these subjects, know I need some words about another subject. At this time, we are making a prototype of a Master Patient Index system, at this time the only specifications and standards that are over the table are IHE (the PIX profile) and HL7 for messaging. I need to know what is the experience on this subject using OpenEHR (I know that Ocean Informatics has its own MPI system, is it based on OpenEHR IM and AOM?), if someone has build an MPI please leave some lines on the subject: what problems do you have? what archetypes do you use? etc etc. I want to propose something like the IHE transactions but implemented with OpenEHR messages based on demographic archetypes (something like the Patient Administration domain of HL7, that defines messages with demographic data). I see that here [**MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "www.openehr.org" claiming to be** http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html](http://www.openehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html) are some demographic archetypes but the links are broken. Are this archetypes stable? are them complete? (they have all the demographic data that is needed: ids, names, contact mediums, address or some kind of geo-referenced location, etc, etc). Please drop me a line on these subjects, thanks a lot! Cheers, Pablo. --- ## Post #2 by @Hans_Demski1 Hola Pablo, there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list recently\. Please have a look at the list archive http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html You can find some demographics archetypes here: http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/ Best regards Hans Pab schrieb: --- ## Post #3 by @system > Hola Pablo, > > there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list > recently\. Please have a look at the list archive > http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html > > You can find some demographics archetypes here: > http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/ Too bad that these demographic archetypes contain links to not \(yet\) published demographic archetypes\. In my opinion, Openehr has everything to be good at demographic data, but for some strange reasons this subject does not get the attention it ought to get\. Not in published archetypes, not in the archetype\-editors, even there were promises to change that, even a year ago\. \(/I tried to expand the ocean archetype editor so it would support demographic archetypes, which does not seem to hard to me, but sadly, Mono is not yet enough up to date with MS dotnet, so I gave up for now/\)\. There are more change situations regarding to demographic archetypes, but I I hope this situation will change\. regards Bert --- ## Post #4 by @system > Hola Pablo, > > there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list recently\. Please have a look at the list archive > http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html > > You can find some demographics archetypes here: > http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/ Too bad that these demographic archetypes contain links to not \(yet\) published demographic archetypes\. In my opinion, Openehr has everything to be good at demographic data, but for some strange reasons this subject does not get the attention it ought to get\. Not in published archetypes, not in the archetype\-editors, even there were promises to change that, even a year ago\. \(/I tried to expand the ocean archetype editor so it would support demographic archetypes, which does not seem to hard to me, but sadly, Mono is not yet enough up to date with MS dotnet, so I gave up for now/\)\. There are more STRANGE \(excuse typo :\-\) situations regarding to demographic archetypes, but I I hope this situation will change\. regards Bert > Best regards > Hans > > Pab schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> I've started working on an EHR project at national level in my >> country\. The people here knows only about HL7 and IHE, but OpenEHR is not so popular\. I've been follow OpenEHR since 2006, when with Rodrigo Filgueira we made a prototype of an ICU system with the OpenEHR Information Model\. >> >> This is the first email of a list of emails I have to send to you to make a correct evaluation of OpenEHR and to have solid information to propose it to my coleagues on the project \(I don't make the decisions so I need to convince my coleagues\)\. I think OpenEHR has very good ideas and concepts and it's reasonably stable and mature, but some issues are not so clear or not so mature \(IMHO\), now I can think of two things: the template specification and template tools >> and archetype/template versioning\. Later I'll ask you about these subjects, know I need some words about another subject\. >> >> At this time, we are making a prototype of a Master Patient Index system, at this time the only specifications and standards that are over the table are IHE \(the PIX profile\) and HL7 for messaging\. I need to know what is the experience on this subject using OpenEHR \(I know that Ocean Informatics has its own MPI system, is it based on OpenEHR IM and AOM?\), if someone has build an MPI please leave some lines on the subject: what problems do you have? what archetypes do you use? etc etc\. >> >> I want to propose something like the IHE transactions but implemented with OpenEHR messages based on demographic archetypes \(something like the Patient Administration domain of HL7, that defines messages with demographic data\)\. I see that here \*MailScanner has detected a >> possible fraud attempt from "www\.openehr\.org" claiming to be\* >> http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html >> <http://www.openehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html> are some demographic archetypes but the links are broken\. Are this archetypes stable? are them complete? \(they have all the demographic data that is needed: ids, names, contact mediums, address or some kind --- ## Post #5 by @thomas.beale The most useful demographic archetypes available will be Sergio Freire's from Brazil - they are based on ISO 22220, and he has about 20 of them. He is just reworking some of the details, and said to me while I was there recently that he will translate them into English (using teh ISO 22220 names) and then make them available. I would expect this set to become the base set for openEHR. They are easy to build plug-in specialised archetypes for that contain e.g. braziliann address, japanese address, etc - the bits that vary. - thomas beale Pab wrote: [details="(attachments)"] ![OceanC\_small.png|74x72](upload://5I367QG2SMJUp18Pt3jF6yz13Ey.png) [/details] --- ## Post #6 by @pablo It would be great to have access to these archetypes, and I can make the translations to spanish ;) thank you, Pablo Pazos Gutierrez [details="(attachments)"] ![OceanC\_small.png|74x72](upload://5I367QG2SMJUp18Pt3jF6yz13Ey.png) [/details] --- ## Post #7 by @system Hi Pablo Did you get them? If you send an email to Heather Leslie, I know she has the set. Cheers, Sam [details="(attachments)"] ![OceanC\_small.png|74x72](upload://5I367QG2SMJUp18Pt3jF6yz13Ey.png) [/details] --- ## Post #8 by @pablo Hi Sam, Yes, Sergio send me the draft archetypes, but now I'm going on vacation, I'll play with them when I'm back. Thank you! cheers, Pablo. 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