# {Disarmed} OpenEHR evaluation

**URL:** <https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871>\
**Category:** Technical (archive)\
**Created:** [20 December 2008 23:49 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871 "2008-12-20T23:49:30Z")\
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**Author:** ![pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/pablo/32/3505_2.png) [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)\
**Post date:** [20 December 2008 23:49 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/1 "2008-12-20T23:49:30Z")

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Hi,

I’ve started working on an EHR project at national level in my country. The people here knows only about HL7 and IHE, but OpenEHR is not so popular. I’ve been follow OpenEHR since 2006, when with Rodrigo Filgueira we made a prototype of an ICU system with the OpenEHR Information Model.

This is the first email of a list of emails I have to send to you to make a correct evaluation of OpenEHR and to have solid information to propose it to my coleagues on the project (I don’t make the decisions so I need to convince my coleagues). I think OpenEHR has very good ideas and concepts and it’s reasonably stable and mature, but some issues are not so clear or not so mature (IMHO), now I can think of two things: the template specification and template tools and archetype/template versioning. Later I’ll ask you about these subjects, know I need some words about another subject.

At this time, we are making a prototype of a Master Patient Index system, at this time the only specifications and standards that are over the table are IHE (the PIX profile) and HL7 for messaging. I need to know what is the experience on this subject using OpenEHR (I know that Ocean Informatics has its own MPI system, is it based on OpenEHR IM and AOM?), if someone has build an MPI please leave some lines on the subject: what problems do you have? what archetypes do you use? etc etc.

I want to propose something like the IHE transactions but implemented with OpenEHR messages based on demographic archetypes (something like the Patient Administration domain of HL7, that defines messages with demographic data). I see that here [**MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from “www.openehr.org” claiming to be** http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html](http://www.openehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html) are some demographic archetypes but the links are broken. Are this archetypes stable? are them complete? (they have all the demographic data that is needed: ids, names, contact mediums, address or some kind of geo-referenced location, etc, etc).

Please drop me a line on these subjects,  
thanks a lot!

Cheers,  
Pablo.

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**Author:** ![Hans\_Demski1](https://discourse.openehr.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Hans\_Demski1](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/Hans_Demski1)\
**Post date:** [22 December 2008 11:05 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/2 "2008-12-22T11:05:49Z")

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Hola Pablo,

there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list  
recently. Please have a look at the list archive  
[http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html](http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html)

You can find some demographics archetypes here:  
[http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/](http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/)

Best regards  
Hans

Pab schrieb:

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**Author:** ![system](https://discourse.openehr.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f0a1dedb20c42747bddcafd6c7df9db5f34f003c.svg) [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)\
**Post date:** [22 December 2008 11:56 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/3 "2008-12-22T11:56:20Z")

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> Hola Pablo,
> 
> there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list  
> recently. Please have a look at the list archive  
> [http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html](http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html)
> 
> You can find some demographics archetypes here:  
> [http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/](http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/)

Too bad that these demographic archetypes contain links to not (yet)  
published demographic archetypes. In my opinion, Openehr has everything to  
be good at demographic data, but for some strange reasons this subject  
does not get the attention it ought to get.  
Not in published archetypes, not in the archetype-editors, even there were  
promises to change that, even a year ago. (/I tried to expand the ocean  
archetype editor so it would support demographic archetypes, which does  
not seem to hard to me, but sadly, Mono is not yet enough up to date with  
MS dotnet, so I gave up for now/).

There are more change situations regarding to demographic archetypes, but I

I hope this situation will change.

regards  
Bert

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**Author:** ![system](https://discourse.openehr.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f0a1dedb20c42747bddcafd6c7df9db5f34f003c.svg) [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)\
**Post date:** [22 December 2008 11:57 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/4 "2008-12-22T11:57:40Z")

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> Hola Pablo,
> 
> there have been some discussions about the demographics on this list

recently. Please have a look at the list archive

> [http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html](http://www.nabble.com/openEHR-f18276.html)
> 
> You can find some demographics archetypes here:  
> [http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/](http://www.openehr.org/svn/knowledge/archetypes/dev/adl/openehr/demographic/)

Too bad that these demographic archetypes contain links to not (yet)  
published demographic archetypes. In my opinion, Openehr has everything to  
be good at demographic data, but for some strange reasons this subject  
does not get the attention it ought to get.  
Not in published archetypes, not in the archetype-editors, even there were  
promises to change that, even a year ago. (/I tried to expand the ocean  
archetype editor so it would support demographic archetypes, which does  
not seem to hard to me, but sadly, Mono is not yet enough up to date with  
MS dotnet, so I gave up for now/).

There are more STRANGE (excuse typo 🙂 situations regarding to  
demographic archetypes, but I

I hope this situation will change.

regards  
Bert

> Best regards  
> Hans
> 
> Pab schrieb:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've started working on an EHR project at national level in my  
> > country. The people here knows only about HL7 and IHE, but OpenEHR is

not so popular. I've been follow OpenEHR since 2006, when with Rodrigo  
Filgueira we made a prototype of an ICU system with the OpenEHR  
Information Model.

> > This is the first email of a list of emails I have to send to you to

make a correct evaluation of OpenEHR and to have solid information to  
propose it to my coleagues on the project (I don't make the decisions  
so I need to convince my coleagues). I think OpenEHR has very good  
ideas and concepts and it's reasonably stable and mature, but some  
issues are not so clear or not so mature (IMHO), now I can think of two  
things: the template specification and template tools

> > and archetype/template versioning. Later I'll ask you about these

subjects, know I need some words about another subject.

> > At this time, we are making a prototype of a Master Patient Index

system, at this time the only specifications and standards that are  
over the table are IHE (the PIX profile) and HL7 for messaging. I need  
to know what is the experience on this subject using OpenEHR (I know  
that Ocean Informatics has its own MPI system, is it based on OpenEHR  
IM and AOM?), if someone has build an MPI please leave some lines on  
the subject: what problems do you have? what archetypes do you use? etc  
etc.

> > I want to propose something like the IHE transactions but implemented

with OpenEHR messages based on demographic archetypes (something like  
the Patient Administration domain of HL7, that defines messages with  
demographic data). I see that here \*MailScanner has detected a

> > possible fraud attempt from "www.openehr.org" claiming to be\*  
> > [http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html](http://wwwopenehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html)  
> > \<[http://www.openehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html&gt](http://www.openehr.org/clinicalmodels/archetypes.html&gt); are some

demographic archetypes but the links are broken. Are this archetypes  
stable? are them complete? (they have all the demographic data that is  
needed: ids, names, contact mediums, address or some kind

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**Author:** ![thomas.beale](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/thomas.beale/32/35_2.png) [@thomas.beale](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/thomas.beale)\
**Post date:** [22 December 2008 14:38 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/5 "2008-12-22T14:38:45Z")

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The most useful demographic archetypes available will be Sergio Freire’s from Brazil - they are based on ISO 22220, and he has about 20 of them. He is just reworking some of the details, and said to me while I was there recently that he will translate them into English (using teh ISO 22220 names) and then make them available. I would expect this set to become the base set for openEHR. They are easy to build plug-in specialised archetypes for that contain e.g. braziliann address, japanese address, etc - the bits that vary.

- thomas beale

Pab wrote:

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**Author:** ![pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/pablo/32/3505_2.png) [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)\
**Post date:** [22 December 2008 14:50 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/6 "2008-12-22T14:50:45Z")

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It would be great to have access to these archetypes, and I can make the translations to spanish 😉

thank you,  
Pablo Pazos Gutierrez

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**Author:** ![system](https://discourse.openehr.org/uploads/default/original/2X/f/f0a1dedb20c42747bddcafd6c7df9db5f34f003c.svg) [@system](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/system)\
**Post date:** [6 January 2009 00:36 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/7 "2009-01-06T00:36:40Z")

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Hi Pablo

Did you get them? If you send an email to Heather Leslie, I know she has the set.

Cheers, Sam

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**Author:** ![pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/user_avatar/discourse.openehr.org/pablo/32/3505_2.png) [@pablo](https://discourse.openehr.org/u/pablo)\
**Post date:** [6 January 2009 22:14 UTC](https://discourse.openehr.org/t/disarmed-openehr-evaluation/14871/8 "2009-01-06T22:14:40Z")

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Hi Sam,

Yes, Sergio send me the draft archetypes, but now I’m going on vacation, I’ll play with them when I’m back.

Thank you!

cheers,  
Pablo.

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