# Are you aware of any archetypes for thyroid related data? **Category:** [Clinical (archive)](https://discourse.openehr.org/c/clinical-archive/153) **Created:** 2011-02-17 15:18 UTC **Views:** 6 **Replies:** 4 **URL:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/are-you-aware-of-any-archetypes-for-thyroid-related-data/15049 --- ## Post #1 by @Seref Dear all, In the context of my PhD work at UCL, I'll be needing some archetypes to model the clinical data which I'll be using\. If by any chance\. I can get my hands on some existing archetypes which are likely to contain the domain information that I'm working on, that'd help a lot\. At the moment I'm working on some thyroid data, and in worst case I'll be creating a dummy archetype which would probably be a nightmare from an experience modeller's point of view\. So if you know any existing archetypes \(maybe in CKM?\) which may be relevant for the type of data I'm working on, it would be great to hear about them\. The following links point to descriptions of data sets, which would provide an overview of the type of clinical data I'm using at the moment\. http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/allhypo.names http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/thyroid0387.names http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/new-thyroid.names http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/machine-learning-databases/thyroid-disease/allrep.names I'm likely to repeat this question based on other clinical data, but for the moment I have not given up on using this data set\. Best Regards Seref Arikan --- ## Post #2 by @ian.mcnicoll Hi Seref, What you have here is a classic example of questionnaire\-based data collection, which made sense in a paper\-base world but is totally out\-of\-whack if one is trying to retreive/pre\-populate the data from an EHR\. It is exactly the issues we discussed about DV\_BOOLEAN vs\. DV\_CODED\_TEXT If you take the first example on thyroxine: f, t\. EHR:: Query on ACTION\.medication \+ Drug term query on thyroxine: f, t\. on antithyroid medication: f, t\. EHR:: Query on ACTION\.medication sick: f, t\. Tricky \!\! Can only be recorded by the human investigator pregnant: f, t\. Tricky \!\! Can only be recorded by the human investigator \. Notoriously tricky to keep track of a patient's pregnancy state thyroid surgery: f, t\. Query on ACTION\.procedure \+ Snomed term I131 treatment: f, t\. Query on ACTION\.procedure \+ Snomed term query hypothyroid: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term query hyperthyroid: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term lithium: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term goitre: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term tumor: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term hypopituitary: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term psych: f, t\. Query on EVALUATION\.problem \+ Snomed term TSH measured: f, t\. TSH: continuous\. T3 measured: f, t\. T3: continuous\. TT4 measured: f, t\. TT4: continuous\. T4U measured: f, t\. T4U: continuous\. FTI measured: f, t\. FTI: continuous\. TBG measured: f, t\. TBG: continuous\. Queries on OBSERVATION\.lab\_test\.v1 and ? LOINC/SNOMED terms Realistically though you will probably have to re\-create the Y/N questionaire\!\! What is the overall requirement? Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office \+44 \(0\)1536 414994 fax \+44 \(0\)1536 516317 mobile \+44 \(0\)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian\.mcnicoll@oceaninformatics\.com Clinical analyst, Ocean Informatics, UK openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www\.openehr\.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL BCS Primary Health Care www\.phcsg\.org --- ## Post #3 by @Seref Thanks Ian, The requirement for me is to have an idea about the archetype based representation of the information contained in this dataset\. I can simply create a dummy archetype with simple datatypes, but that would not be a representative of an archetype based system that would be managing this information\. In short, I wanted to observe related archetypes in their natural environment :\) Archetype based data is going to become input for my research at one point, and I want to make that input as close to real life as possible\. Best Regards Seref --- ## Post #4 by @ian.mcnicoll Most of these data points would be carried within any decently maintained EHR e\.g\. drug names, significant medical history, procedure, lab tests etc\. and would be carried in regular clinical statement archetypes or equivalents as suggested\. However some other questions can really only be answered by an active investigator e\.g pregnancy status and 'sick'\. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office \+44 \(0\)1536 414994 fax \+44 \(0\)1536 516317 mobile \+44 \(0\)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian\.mcnicoll@oceaninformatics\.com Clinical analyst, Ocean Informatics, UK openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www\.openehr\.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL BCS Primary Health Care www\.phcsg\.org --- ## Post #5 by @Dr_LONJON_Roger Hello Someone there any advice on options editor INTERSYSTEMS It is as strong presence in the U\.S\. and in Sweden and within standard EHRCOM Europe\- Siemens in France offers a solution to medical records for hospitals based on the products of this company and we have choices to make soon INTERSYSTEMS · Products o Caché    High performance object database o Ensemble    Platform for connected applications o DeepSee   Embedded real\-time business intelligence o HealthShare   Health information exchange platform o TrakCare   Web\-based healthcare information system Thank's best regard's Dr LONJON from FRANCE --- **Canonical:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/are-you-aware-of-any-archetypes-for-thyroid-related-data/15049 **Original content:** https://discourse.openehr.org/t/are-you-aware-of-any-archetypes-for-thyroid-related-data/15049